Right. I may not agree with a lot of your pricing decisions here, but I have to say no to a few various things. Firstly, anything below 20PC is basically going to be a no - 20PC worked perfectly fine for the last 2 years and more on the site and there isn't a single service that deserves to be lower than that. Before the raise to 60PC, we had no complaints about services at 20PC being "too high" - no to this.
As for the general idea of pushing up the costs of certain services.... I'm rather mixed on it. I do like the idea that we should separate out the prices of certain things, but like I said in my first paragraph, things should not be too low. We should be looking at a bare minimum of 20PC for things like items and dex fillers, 30-35PC for clones (maybe), etc. Your pricing on breeding Pokemon is a bit harsh IMHO. Whilst I agree that you aren't exactly paying for much, a lot of time probably went into breeding it so it's a bit harsh to just say '20PC' and leave it. My other main problem is that it just complicates things to an unneccessary level, and us staff already have to put up with enough garbage spam posting, people not reading the rules, etc.
I'll be quoting a number of posts from this thread as well to get through all of the arguments.
Does a breeder forum really fix the issue? At this point, it's safe to say that if you don't have Homebrew/Gateway/CFW/Access to editing saves, your ability to gen has dropped to near 0. Admittedly, with
@Krelbit 's help, a lot of users do now have access to genning and Homebrew, but at this point it means that the users who are trying to breed are simply not going to do well as these shops. Also, if you're trying to promote breeding legitimate KB Pokemon, this seems like the
least likely thing you'd want to support - 20PC for a 5IV, KB bred Level 1? It takes time man.
PC stall is a big deal, but I can honestly put this one down to sellers leaving. People like
@Krelbit ,
@Miles8088 and more have become discouraged from selling which has led to people like
@CaitsCustoms taking over. I'm not making any criticisms of their shops, but they objectively sell at a lower price point than the old IATS sellers which restricts PC flow as well - if you're trying to promote PC flow, again, why are you supporting PC guidelines which are lower than what we already have? I understand your point about morality, but again, PC price points are lower.
This I can actually get behind. When the new price point of 60PC was announced, I was slightly annoyed as services like items simply aren't worth 60PC at all - 20PC seems like a reasonable price point, and while you may argue that 'not all items are worth 20PC' then it comes down to this:
- If we make all items worth less than 20PC minimum, then we restrict PC flow which is something you're trying to help
- If we make all items 60PC, we, again, restrict PC flow and make less people inclined to buy items quickly
- If we make all items vary in price point, it simply gets far too confusing for the seller and possibly the consumer
Tldr; I would support a 20PC price point for items
This ^
At this point, I can honestly estimate that about 30% of all new members don't bother to read the rules when they join the site, set up shops for 10PC/5PC and then get sales before we really have time to stop them. Staff members from a geographical perspective can, yes, get on at effectively any time, but like
@Chaos said, we have lives as well. These shops need to be continually shut down or changed and it's extremely aggravating - by having multiple price points for different services increases confusion, makes people less inclined to start selling on this site, increases the risk of error -> more staff needed -> comes out of their time, etc.