Insta ban mega Salamence and Mega Diance plz

broken ban it not even uber tier straight up ban

No. It has 4x weakness to Ice. Just no.

/me approves

seriously though this is the most broken thing in the metagame at the moment. With just Return it can rip through entire teams with support from Magnezone and a Landorus-T lure.

PunSniperSylveon said:

No. It has 4x weakness to Ice. Just no.

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.... life orb ninja could handle it if it outspeeds , according to smogon their speed is only 2 points difference so if the speeds are slightly affected by nature/Evs etc... then it'll reck

matt said:

.... life orb ninja could handle it if it outspeeds , according to smogon their speed is only 2 points difference so if the speeds are slightly affected by nature/Evs etc... then it'll reck

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Salamence has an easy time setting up on a large percentage of the metagame, and Mega Salamence outpaces and OHKOs with Return after a DD. However, I do agree that Greninja is the best Salamence counter in the meta ATM, but there are very few safe switch-ins to it, meaning that I expect it to be quickbanned or suspect tested not long after Mega Salamence

Marigi174 said:

Salamence has an easy time setting up on a large percentage of the metagame, and Mega Salamence outpaces and OHKOs with Return after a DD. However, I do agree that Greninja is the best Salamence counter in the meta ATM, but there are very few safe switch-ins to it, meaning that I expect it to be quickbanned or suspect tested not long after Mega Salamence

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so your thinking greninja is gonna go up for test ... it hasn't been banned yet so i don't see why they would do that now they obviously have their reasons why it hasn't been yet

Focus sash. That's all you need to take a mSalad down and the proper ice move.

PunSniperSylveon said:

Focus sash. That's all you need to take a mSalad down and the proper ice move.

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It's not that easy though. Mence actually lives most unSTABed ice hits and ice priority when running it's very common bulky DD set and focus sash isn't a reliable way to KO anything when taking rocks and spikes into consideration and the fact that Mence beats most defoggers and spinners with relative ease. The only 100% mence counter is mega slowbro with ice beam. Everything else is too situational to rely on. If you really need any more persuading, watch this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHJMam31hhwlist=UUbXuFrNGSKcmZY_5DwYz4Ew
If you still aren't convinced, try a sub dragon dance mence for yourself. It really isn't hard to understand why it needs to be banned when you've used one for yourself.

Anyway, for the second part of the discussion, I think that mega-slowbro needs to taken into consideration for a ban. It's got groudon/mega Aggron level bulk with more reliable recovery and the ability to not only patch up it's lower special defense stat but also make itself a powerful tank with calm mind and great coverage to boot with scald, psyshock, fire blast, and ice beam as great coverage options. Mega Slowbro also gives semi stall and balance such a massive boost that every hyper offensive team would need at least 1 wall breaker that beats mega slowbro allowing for easier prediction of opposing offensive teams and create a less diverse metagame. I also think that Mega-Diancie, Mega-Metagross and Greninja should be tested once the metagame has settled down a little bit with Greninja being the most broken in the current metagame and Diancie having the most potential for being broken when certain Pokemon start to get less use.

matt said:

so your thinking greninja is gonna go up for test ... it hasn't been banned yet so i don't see why they would do that now they obviously have their reasons why it hasn't been yet

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It was fine before ORAS, but it got a big improvement to its movepool with the game's release, meaning that its old checks (notably Azumarill, Sylveon and Ferrothorn) can now both be dealt with on one set, instead of having to decide which of Azumarill and Ferrothorn you want to deal with while being completely walled by Sylveon regardless. Additionally, a mixed 'Blissey Boxer' (lure) set with Low Kick, Hidden Power Fire, Gunk Shot and either Ice Beam or Hydro Pump can be used to get around Blissey as well. It has no switch-ins in the OU metagame ATM due to Protean and its variety of powerful attacks which it can use to abuse it with.

bruh, ban mega beedrill. #2OP
@Gold 2.0 knows

x0rqasmatr0n said:

bruh, ban mega beedrill. #2OP
@Gold 2.0 knows

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This is true.





All jokes aside there is no way in hell Mega Salamence is staying, I'm sorry xD

@PunSniperSylveon Seriously though, this thing is OP. The fact that you REQUIRE a Sash Mon with an Ice move to take it down is straight up overcentralising, and most Ice Shards don't even take it down (barring the exception of a 252 Adamant Life Orb Mamoswine). One of two less seen counters does not mean that it should stay OU. Mega Salamence gets insane stats, aerilate, and a solid movepool from both a physical and special side of things, so you don't know how to take it down in the first place. Like @notsoclutch has said, Sub DD MegaMence will also be a thing, and it also gets access to Body Slam for flinching (not to mention the fact that it is Aerilate boosted). OP.

As for Mega Slowbro, I can definitely see it being taken into consideration. There are next to no counters to it, and after it sets up 1 or 2 CMs, it's basically GG.

personally I think it has to many weakness s to be banned

meohkou said:

personally I think it has to many weakness s to be banned

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It already was banned and let's just say for good reason. It's bulky set could take volt switches from Rotom without allowing subs to be broken while also being able to OHKO most Pokemon with it's wallbreaker DD set. It was just too overwhelming.

meohkou said:

personally I think it has to many weakness s to be banned

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In what way did it have too many weaknesses? Hardly any ice types were viable enough in OU or powerful enough to check it; fairy types like Sylveon were too slow AND had the chance of being OHKO'ed (this is amplifed up to 81% with SR) and most other dragons were either too slow or couldn't get through its defence. Sure, Scarf Hydreigon was a decent counter, but even that has two problems: 1) It's not good enough in OU to start with and 2) It gets outsped after a DD.

I could go into this for ages, but I'll restrain myself.