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  1. WSawyer

    WSawyer Pokémon Champion Will Not Fall Donor

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    Thanks for your input :)
    I am definitely on board for the 20/60 division. That does sound much more simple, and easier to enforce. I also like the bulk discount for clones :)

    I guess my last question would be about the 55PC for pre-made pokes. I thought that would be a nice way to get more pre-mades to sell, but I'm not sure if it's gonna be abused or not.

    I'll make another tiering system (4) to map out your ideas, and hopefully @doulie will check it out.
     
  2. WSawyer

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    ROUGH TIERING SYSTEM 4

    Perfect, 6IV, Custom, Battle-Ready Pokemon-
    60PC min

    Pre-made Stock Pokemon-
    55PC min

    Pokemon Editing Services- 20PC min (maybe with extra 5PC charges per change)

    Items-
    20PC min

    Breeding Discards, Dex Fillers, Pokerus (5IV or less, non-specialized, no item)-
    20PC min

    Pokemon Cloning Services- 20PC min per clone (with bulk deals allowed)​
     
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  3. RedQueenIzanami

    RedQueenIzanami Pokémon Champion

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    Thank you so much for the mention and thorough response! And I agree fully, that some price tier adjustments should be made to better help the community out! : o because right now, not much pc is circulating around with prices being set a certain way... (Because all the fillers that you needed to complete the dex *cough* lvl 3 2IV luvdisc *cough* are the same price as level 5,000 mega Kyogre with the key to existence as a held item...and did i mention it's also shiny and legit? >_>...yes...this is an extreme exaggeration... But it gets the point across of people would feel better about purchasing that dex filler at a lower price than at the same price as a mega awesome Pokemon o.o; ) aaaaaaaand I've officially put in my two cents on the price tier adjusting :3
     
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  4. Saraceaser

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    I actually quite like this tiering better, as it's much more simple and easy to understand and use. ;) But there is a few things I would like to point out.

    First, I understand where you all are coming from for the Pokemon editing changes, 20-25PC is fair enough, but it's going to be hard to control this. The reason I say this is mainly for the reason of the use of Chat. Unless they're totally trusted and wouldn't use this loophole, those who are here just to make a quick buck will just resort to, well, I guess you can call it a 'blackmarket dealing'. What I mean is, that if shops were given the option for this pricing, they would be basically be asked to go by the Honour Code, and I don't mean to sound mean when I say this or any of this, but I can guess that a few people may just use Chat to conduct these Blackmarket Deals and give more editing changes for the same price or something along those lines, though I guess people already do this from what I understand? Just thought I'd point that out, and I can understand where the mods and all are coming from when they say it would be hard to control, but I bet a bit of creativity could come up with a nice system to help control this.

    Secondly, there's something I'd like to point out about the breed Pokemon thing. Since you place Bred Discards and Dex Fillers in the same category, a few problems arise with this. The thing is that this allows for many people to extort this by giving any Pokemon that can be considered a simple 'Dex Filler' or just a good 'Bred Discard' and unless they have proof if they or aren't, they could sell the 6 IV BR Poke for the same price under those terms. I can understand where the Mods and all are coming from when they say it would be hard to monitor, but like I said, a bit of creativity can go a long way, and it's not like some are already using the 'Blackmarket' already, anyways.

    That, and some of the more Pro Breeders may feel upset if they breed Pokemon that are/or close to being Battle Ready, since all Bred Pokemon would cost this same even after all their hard work. Just saying this from a breeders' stand point after talking to some of my fellow breeders here in PP who already are unhappy to compete with quickly made genned Pokemon.
     
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  5. Fisherman Paul

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    In response to the rough tiering system. I really like it. But I also think Pokémon Prices could use some fixes. In the current system we're paying as much for a 6IV level 10 as for a 6IV Shiny Arceus level 100. Of course we're also getting a Master Ball with a Starly for the same price as a 6IV Shiny Garchomp holding a Master Ball. Here's my idea of how the tiering system should look like for Pokémon. It should not only bring a more realistic system, but also a system that is more fair for shops, breeders and customers. Of course it's all based on minimum prices. Let me know what you think of it! Is the system maybe a little too complicated or is it just fine?

    PokéShops:

    6IV First Stage Evolution and Baby Pokémon:
    40PC
    6IV Second Stage Evolution Pokémon: 50PC
    6IV Third Stage Evolution Pokémon: 60PC
    6IV Legendary Pokémon: 70PC
    6IV Mythical Pokémon: 90PC

    Shiny fee: 10PC
    Item fee: 20PC (Megastones/Masterball/Soul Dew)
    Item fee #2: 10PC (All other items)

    5IV Pokémon fee: -10PC
    4IV-less Pokémon fee: -20PC

    Custom Shops:

    One Custom Pokémon:
    80PC
    Custom Pokémon Team: 400PC

    *With Custom Requests it won't matter if you want an item, shiny or both. In some cases you might pay a little more on a custom while in some cases it's cheaper.

    Item Shops:

    Items 1*:
    10PC
    Items 2*: 20PC
    Items 3*: 30PC

    *Items need to be traded over with a 4IV or less First Stage Evolution Pokémon.
    1* includes: Poké Balls / Recovery Items / Battle Items / Berries / Miscellaneous
    2* includes: Hold Items / Fossils
    3* includes: Mega Stones / Masterball / Soul Dew


    Mod Shops:

    Pokémon Editing Services:
    20PC + 5PC for each ext*ra chance

    *includes: IV's / EV's / Natures / Cloning (+ per clone) / Shinyfying
     
  6. Matt_192

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    As I said previously, whilst it's cool that you're trying to do this, the 20/60 would be far far easier to understand and we would get a lot less offences by doing this split. Also, the majority of the sellers nowadays, even if they don't have access to HBrew, do have access to a Powersaves or similar at this point, making things like distinction of items nearly meaningless. Whilst I do like the idea of separating out Pokemon, again, the pricing is too complicated and can be used by the people that have Homebrew. However, this would be better if genning shops have to clearly distinguish that they are genning shops (though I think that they do this anyway).
     
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  7. WSawyer

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    Thanks for the response :)

    To start off with, yes technically the editors could make more changes for the same price. That's actually allowed in the current system (they don't have to charge the extra 5PC per change, it's just recommended). However, for the amount of work that it takes to edit a Pokemon, it's very unlikely that someone will completely perfect a Pokemon for only 20PC, with no extra charges. Unfortunately we can't make the extra charges mandatory, because that really is impossible to manage.

    About your second point, you should check out the other forum and read @Matt_192 's response (because others started posting long comments on it...). Basically, no one is going to get away with covering a 6IV Pokemon, at least not for very long. And even if they did, they're making 1/3 of the credits they would be making from following the rules, and its unlikely that their black market deals will bring them 3 times the customers.

    To address your last point, honestly the benefit comes from the fact that people are more likely to buy a better Pokemon. The breeders in that situation have to advertise why their bred Pokemon are better, and hope for more customers, rather than more PC per transaction.
     
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  8. Cheza

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    I'm OK for a price minimum of 20pc per held item, keeping the 60pc for everything else, as I've had people question the fairness of held items for 60pc before.

    Otherwise, an entire price tiering chart is a little much IMO. It becomes 9 different price minimums to monitor and remember + as people have said in the SB, it can be confusing for new and existing members to know all the different price minimums.
     
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