top 6 competitive Pokemon.

[Matt_192]

I was running the set High Jump Kick, Fake Out, power up punch, Drain Punch/ Return and yes lopunny hit stuff hard but not a KO which meant lopunny was KO'd imediatly so that's my point.

1. Run Return.
2. Try the Encore set for easier setup
3. Actually run some calcs. With your limited experience of using Lopunny, you may as well see what is and isn't a KO. I've had a lot more experience than you with Lopunny and, trust me, you really aren't giving it credit. It's one of the best late game sweepers in OU currently.

 

[Mewtwo]

1. Run Return.
2. Try the Encore set for easier setup
3. Actually run some calcs. With your limited experience of using Lopunny, you may as well see what is and isn't a KO. I've had a lot more experience than you with Lopunny and, trust me, you really aren't giving it credit. It's one of the best late game sweepers in OU currently.

I don't agree about that I've had less experience with lopunny than U. But here is how a couple turns with lopunny usually went.

Lopunny used high jump kick/ Return
Scizor Used superpower/ Brick Break
lopunny Fainted.
Lopunny is a good Pokemon but is not as good as Pokemon like mega sablye, Mega ttar, mega chomp, mega metagross and lots more. Also Lopunny does not get swords dance making it much harder to set up and it not being able to take a hit from anything also makes that worse. Yes If u get an encore up perfectly u can set up some power up punches and it also depends what there encored into so it's very hard to get them encored in to the correct thing and u would have to be very very lucky. And if u don't lopunny can't really do what other physical sweeper could do late game.

 

[Gold 2.0]

I don't agree about that I've had less experience with lopunny than U. But here is how a couple turns with lopunny usually went.

Lopunny used high jump kick/ Return
Scizor Used superpower/ Brick Break
lopunny Fainted.
Lopunny is a good Pokemon but is not as good as Pokemon like mega sablye, Mega ttar, mega chomp, mega metagross and lots more. Also Lopunny does not get swords dance making it much harder to set up and it not being able to take a hit from anything also makes that worse. Yes If u get an encore up perfectly u can set up some power up punches and it also depends what there encored into so it's very hard to get them encored in to the correct thing and u would have to be very very lucky. And if u don't lopunny can't really do what other physical sweeper could do late game.

"Lopunny used Return, Scizor used Superpower."



This is in no way a good example to say Lopunny isn't amazing. Scizor has amazing defenses and decent HP. No reason to stay in with a Lopunny. Lopunny has some great points, but of course there are limits. You using it incorrectly doesn't mean it isn't good

 

[Matt_192]

I don't agree about that I've had less experience with lopunny than U. But here is how a couple turns with lopunny usually went.

Lopunny used high jump kick/ Return
Scizor Used superpower/ Brick Break
lopunny Fainted.
Lopunny is a good Pokemon but is not as good as Pokemon like mega sablye, Mega ttar, mega chomp, mega metagross and lots more. Also Lopunny does not get swords dance making it much harder to set up and it not being able to take a hit from anything also makes that worse. Yes If u get an encore up perfectly u can set up some power up punches and it also depends what there encored into so it's very hard to get them encored in to the correct thing and u would have to be very very lucky. And if u don't lopunny can't really do what other physical sweeper could do late game.

Time to make another unnecessary long ass post.

This argument is completely flawed, let me give you another example of what you basically just said:

Player 1 sends out Keldeo
Player 2 sends out Charizard

Turn 1:
Charizard mega evolves into Mega Charizard Y!
Keldeo used Scald! It did 39-46%
Charizard used SolarBeam! It did >100%! It's super effective!
Keldeo fainted!

I've tried to effectively keep this the same. Scald is neutral after factoring in the Sun (this is assuming the SubCM Keldeo - probably its best set currently. The issue with this argument is that its very specific - why would you ever leave a Keldeo in on a Charizard if you run the risk of it being Mega Y? The same argument can be applied to Scizor and Lopunny - why would you leave Lopunny in on a Scizor to risk it having Superpower? I haven't even mentioned the fact that @Gold 2.0 stated - Scizor, especially mega, has pretty amazing bulk, and almost all variants of Scizor run quite a lot of HP/Def investment to generally tank hits.

Your idea is on the premise that you are using Lopunny to sweep - as I've told you multiple times now, this is not what you should be using Lopunny for. It is primarily there for guaranteed revenge killing and late game sweeping. There aren't many things that can switch in AND take two hits from it in the OU tier, especially with P-u-P, so this argument seems fundamentally flawed.

Next up, you then compare it to another list of Pokemon, similarly to how you did so before. Again, like before, none of these Pokemon do what Lopunny does. Mega Sableye is a wall and support mon; Mega TTar is a tank; Mega Metagross is a setup sweeper; Mega Chomp is... well Mega Chomp, it's pretty crap however you use it.

You then go on about how Lopunny doesn't get SD, and yes you are correct, it does hurt it. However, the role Lopunny performs doesn't require it to get to +2/+4 - it just revenge kills and sweeps late game. If you're trying to sweep with it, you aren't using Lopunny correctly.

I don't agree about that I've had less experience with lopunny than U.

You said you've used it on one team - I've used it on many many teams, ergo I've had more experience lol.

 

[Mewtwo]

Time to make another unnecessary long ass post.

This argument is completely flawed, let me give you another example of what you basically just said:

Player 1 sends out Keldeo
Player 2 sends out Charizard

Turn 1:
Charizard mega evolves into Mega Charizard Y!
Keldeo used Scald! It did 39-46%
Charizard used SolarBeam! It did >100%! It's super effective!
Keldeo fainted!

I've tried to effectively keep this the same. Scald is neutral after factoring in the Sun (this is assuming the SubCM Keldeo - probably its best set currently. The issue with this argument is that its very specific - why would you ever leave a Keldeo in on a Charizard if you run the risk of it being Mega Y? The same argument can be applied to Scizor and Lopunny - why would you leave Lopunny in on a Scizor to risk it having Superpower? I haven't even mentioned the fact that @Gold 2.0 stated - Scizor, especially mega, has pretty amazing bulk, and almost all variants of Scizor run quite a lot of HP/Def investment to generally tank hits.

Your idea is on the premise that you are using Lopunny to sweep - as I've told you multiple times now, this is not what you should be using Lopunny for. It is primarily there for guaranteed revenge killing and late game sweeping. There aren't many things that can switch in AND take two hits from it in the OU tier, especially with P-u-P, so this argument seems fundamentally flawed.

Next up, you then compare it to another list of Pokemon, similarly to how you did so before. Again, like before, none of these Pokemon do what Lopunny does. Mega Sableye is a wall and support mon; Mega TTar is a tank; Mega Metagross is a setup sweeper; Mega Chomp is... well Mega Chomp, it's pretty crap however you use it.

You then go on about how Lopunny doesn't get SD, and yes you are correct, it does hurt it. However, the role Lopunny performs doesn't require it to get to +2/+4 - it just revenge kills and sweeps late game. If you're trying to sweep with it, you aren't using Lopunny correctly.


You said you've used it on one team - I've used it on many many teams, ergo I've had more experience lol.

Im not trying to sweep. I'm simply saying that there r none mega Pokemon that can do what mega lopunny can do without taking up a mega slot. And scizor is just an example. Maybe it wasn't a good 1 but as soon as lopunny gets hit by anything that it doesn't resist its basically dead. So it would be better to use ur mega slot on something else.

 

[Matt_192]

Im not trying to sweep. I'm simply saying that there r none mega Pokemon that can do what mega lopunny can do without taking up a mega slot. And scizor is just an example. Maybe it wasn't a good 1 but as soon as lopunny gets hit by anything that it doesn't resist its basically dead. So it would be better to use ur mega slot on something else.

This is wrong in so many ways. Can you give me some actually good examples? Lopunny doesn't have the best defences, no - that just isn't its strong point. Is Shaymin-S bad because it has bad defences? No! Is Deoxys-A bad because it has non-existant defences? Definitely no! My point is that you can't just say 'it has bad defences.' Lopunny has many niches that back it up.

 

[Mewtwo]

This is wrong in so many ways. Can you give me some actually good examples? Lopunny doesn't have the best defences, no - that just isn't its strong point. Is Shaymin-S bad because it has bad defences? No! Is Deoxys-A bad because it has non-existant defences? Definitely no! My point is that you can't just say 'it has bad defences.' Lopunny has many niches that back it up.

Weavile can do what lopunny can do almost as good and scarf haxourous, scarf salemence, Mienshaoo, banded ninjask, banded crobat, tornadous, halucha. I'm sure there r more and I know some of these have different roles but can play lopunnys role. Not 100 percent as good but still God enough.

 

[Matt_192]

Weavile can do what lopunny can do almost as good and scarf haxourous, scarf salemence, Mienshaoo, banded ninjask, banded crobat, tornadous, halucha. I'm sure there r more and I know some of these have different roles but can play lopunnys role. Not 100 percent as good but still God enough.

bahaha

Half of the things you just listed are pretty damn mediocre - scarf Salamence is awful in OU with the amount of Ice Punchers/Sharders and fairy types going around, not to mention dragon types that straight up outclass it.

Weavile can't outspeed base 130/135s, has even less defences than mLop (tbh 94/96 isn't bad on a revenge killer/late game sweeper - mLop) and is stuck to just using 4 moves. Mega Lopunny has priority, Healing Wish, Encore, STAB, Power-up-Punch, etc.

Scarf Hax - see Salamence and it doesn't even get Mold Breaker.

Mienshao is alright, but again, it doesn't outspeed the faster threats which is one of Mega Lopunny's main niches that you just seem to discard.

Banded Ninjask lmfao

Banded Crobat is just awful

Tornadus doesn't do what Mega Lopunny does, hello. It's more of a supportive mon that (tries to) spam Hurricane to the best of its accuracy. That's all. It's not a revenge killer, it's not a setup mon, it's not a late game sweeper, just no.

Hawlucha - finally, something relevant. The issue with Hawlucha is that it can be outsped by a lot of threats before setup (see Latias, Latios, etc) which can both OHKO with a Life Orb Psyshock. Mega Lopunny, on the other hand, is able to Mega and Fake Out before KO'ing with a Return. Hawlucha is good, but it has so many weaknesses that prevent it from being as good as Mega Lopunny. Also, Aegislash screws this thing over. In a meta where Aegi is a thing, Super Effective STAB HJKs/Drain Punches/P-u-P's are amazing.

 

[Mewtwo]

bahaha

Half of the things you just listed are pretty damn mediocre - scarf Salamence is awful in OU with the amount of Ice Punchers/Sharders and fairy types going around, not to mention dragon types that straight up outclass it.

Weavile can't outspeed base 130/135s, has even less defences than mLop (tbh 94/96 isn't bad on a revenge killer/late game sweeper - mLop) and is stuck to just using 4 moves. Mega Lopunny has priority, Healing Wish, Encore, STAB, Power-up-Punch, etc.

Scarf Hax - see Salamence and it doesn't even get Mold Breaker.

Mienshao is alright, but again, it doesn't outspeed the faster threats which is one of Mega Lopunny's main niches that you just seem to discard.

Banded Ninjask lmfao

Banded Crobat is just awful

Tornadus doesn't do what Mega Lopunny does, hello. It's more of a supportive mon that (tries to) spam Hurricane to the best of its accuracy. That's all. It's not a revenge killer, it's not a setup mon, it's not a late game sweeper, just no.

Hawlucha - finally, something relevant. The issue with Hawlucha is that it can be outsped by a lot of threats before setup (see Latias, Latios, etc) which can both OHKO with a Life Orb Psyshock. Mega Lopunny, on the other hand, is able to Mega and Fake Out before KO'ing with a Return. Hawlucha is good, but it has so many weaknesses that prevent it from being as good as Mega Lopunny. Also, Aegislash screws this thing over. In a meta where Aegi is a thing, Super Effective STAB HJKs/Drain Punches/P-u-P's are amazing.

Ok when I named this I was naming these Pokemon using smogons van list where aeigyslash isn't a thing. U could run scarf on a lot of these and they would do Pretty well at lopunnys job. Not as good but still good enough so u could put ur mega slot on something else like mega sableye or what ever kind of Pokemon u need. And weavile and lopunny both can't take a hit. I guess mega lopunny is much better on this site because greninja isn't banned. So mega lopunny is probably better and more used just because of greninja.

 

[Matt_192]

Ok when I named this I was naming these Pokemon using smogons van list where aeigyslash isn't a thing. U could run scarf on a lot of these and they would do Pretty well at lopunnys job. Not as good but still good enough so u could put ur mega slot on something else like mega sableye or what ever kind of Pokemon u need. And weavile and lopunny both can't take a hit. I guess mega lopunny is much better on this site because greninja isn't banned. So mega lopunny is probably better and more used just because of greninja.

You thinking I'm stopping arguing now? Good one lol.

I can think of a number of issues with what you just said, let's start with the first one: "you could run scarf on a lot of these" - uhh, not really. Scarf Hax and Salamence are both arse and the rest of the ones you mentioned don't really work well at all with Scarf. Also, let's be honest, it's Choice Scarf - one of the most limiting items in the game. At least when Lopunny comes in it can utilise priority, other supportive options, set up, scout for damage and do this all while still being fast af. You seem to have this completely unjustified hatred for Mega Lopunny although there isn't really a Pokemon in OU that can fulfil all of its roles.

I think before you say "Mega Lopunny can't take a hit" again, you need to go away and do some frickin calcs. Sure, if it takes a Brave Bird or a Psyshock it's gonna go down, but I can basically argue the same for Greninja and that's basically broken in OU. "Mega Lopunny is much better because Greninja isn't banned" then blah blah something about Smogon. Mega Lopunny is better in both, actually. Weavile is solid A rank on Smogon due to all its threats basically being banned, but Mega Lopunny is now a lot more splashable because threats like RP Landorus and co. have gone.

 

[Mewtwo]

You thinking I'm stopping arguing now? Good one lol.

I can think of a number of issues with what you just said, let's start with the first one: "you could run scarf on a lot of these" - uhh, not really. Scarf Hax and Salamence are both arse and the rest of the ones you mentioned don't really work well at all with Scarf. Also, let's be honest, it's Choice Scarf - one of the most limiting items in the game. At least when Lopunny comes in it can utilise priority, other supportive options, set up, scout for damage and do this all while still being fast af. You seem to have this completely unjustified hatred for Mega Lopunny although there isn't really a Pokemon in OU that can fulfil all of its roles.

I think before you say "Mega Lopunny can't take a hit" again, you need to go away and do some frickin calcs. Sure, if it takes a Brave Bird or a Psyshock it's gonna go down, but I can basically argue the same for Greninja and that's basically broken in OU. "Mega Lopunny is much better because Greninja isn't banned" then blah blah something about Smogon. Mega Lopunny is better in both, actually. Weavile is solid A rank on Smogon due to all its threats basically being banned, but Mega Lopunny is now a lot more splashable because threats like RP Landorus and co. have gone.

I have to say this over and over again. Lol. Mega lopunny is good and I have no hatred for it. I'm simply saying that It's Outshined by atleast 7 or 8 different Megas therefore it shouldent be in the top 6 list of competitive Pokemon. Not to mention 1 of the most common pokenon talon flame which is everywhere can destroy lopunny in a second.

 

[Matt_192]

I have to say this over and over again. Lol. Mega lopunny is good and I have no hatred for it. I'm simply saying that It's Outshined by atleast 7 or 8 different Megas therefore it shouldent be in the top 6 list of competitive Pokemon. Not to mention 1 of the most common pokenon talon flame which is everywhere can destroy lopunny in a second.

/me sighs

As I've disproved about 10 times now, there aren't many megas better than Lopunny. There's Mawile, Altaria and not many more. Every mega you've brought up so far I've disproven - either they aren't needed on all teams or they just don't perform the same role you bring up. If you've clearly forgotten that, I redirect you to literally all my posts on this thread.

So? Talonflame destroys Greninja in one second and that's, again, ban-worthy. There's always gonna be one major counter to a Pokemon smh =.=

 

[Mewtwo]

/me sighs

As I've disproved about 10 times now, there aren't many megas better than Lopunny. There's Mawile, Altaria and not many more. Every mega you've brought up so far I've disproven - either they aren't needed on all teams or they just don't perform the same role you bring up. If you've clearly forgotten that, I redirect you to literally all my posts on this thread.

So? Talonflame destroys Greninja in one second and that's, again, ban-worthy. There's always gonna be one major counter to a Pokemon smh =.=

I could list about 8 Megas right now but I'm going into skyzone.

 

[Matt_192]

I could list about 8 Megas right now but I'm going into skyzone.

Are you just listing random megas at this point and hoping you say one that might rival Lopunny to some extent? Just no. Lopunny has fantastic niches in OU and I've listed out most of them over the last two pages - go and read all of that again first.

 

[Mewtwo]

Are you just listing random megas at this point and hoping you say one that might rival Lopunny to some extent? Just no. Lopunny has fantastic niches in OU and I've listed out most of them over the last two pages - go and read all of that again first.

I will now list the Megas that r better than lopunny. keep in mind that they do not do the same job as mega lopunny. Mega slowbro, Mega Sableye, Mega Latias, and this is kind of the special version of mega lopunny Mega Sceptile. I know mega Sceptile is not as good as mega lopunny but it can do the same thing. And to go on with my list Mega Altaria, And Mega Metagross. Those Megas r better than mega lopunny. by that I do not mean they can could kill Megas lopunny 1 on 1. I'm saying that they are usually better for a team.


PLZ NO MORE TALK ABOUT THIS ON MY THREAD
(; (;

 

[Matt_192]

I will now list the Megas that r better than lopunny. keep in mind that they do not do the same job as mega lopunny. Mega slowbro, Mega Sableye, Mega Latias, and this is kind of the special version of mega lopunny Mega Sceptile. I know mega Sceptile is not as good as mega lopunny but it can do the same thing. And to go on with my list Mega Altaria, And Mega Metagross. Those Megas r better than mega lopunny. by that I do not mean they can could kill Megas lopunny 1 on 1. I'm saying that they are usually better for a team.


PLZ NO MORE TALK ABOUT THIS ON MY THREAD
(; (;

A few things before I start this post. 1) There's no point in making a return point and then closing the thread's discussion without allowing anyone to return the point; 2) Competitive Discussion isn't bad in any way.

You keep saying that 'these Megas are better' (I'm referring to Slowbro and Sableye here) but it's impossible to compare them. Can you compare Skamory to Sylveon? Not particularly,and there's hundreds of examples of this. Lopunny's great coverage, along with Scrappy to hit Ghost types makes it one of if not the best revenge killer in the tier.

Mega Latias is eh. Sure, CM Stored Power is horrifying, but again, it performs differently to Lopunny. I can think of many issues with it as well: weakness To Knock Off (before you say it only has 65 base power, your mega is supposed to be a switchin for this move and taking an SE hit, no matter the base power isn't good for what Latias does, weakness to Ice, Fairy and Dragon (three of the most common types), little variability, etc.

Mega Sceptile just isn't brilliant in OU, end of point. It has all the same weaknesses as MLatias like I said before but at least Latias can actually tank some of those hits.

Mega Altaria is currently one of the best things in the tier and it was already on my list - there's no reason to bring it back up.

For the umpteenth time, Mega Metagross doesn't do the same thing as Mega Lopunny. Mega Lopunny also has supportive moves which Mega Metagross doesn't.

The issue with your entire argument is you saying 'one mega is the best and should only be used' - this is effectively what you're saying. Every mega made, even Mega Altaria, only works on specific teams and Mega Lopunny works on many. You can go on about Talonflame hitting it and KO'ing it, but again, every Pokemon made has counters. Is Arceus bad because it can't KO Hariyama but Close Combat OHKO's in return? Of course it isn't.

Again, saying 'they are better for a team' is simply unjustified. You, a) didn't bring up a valid reason for any of these Pokemon, nor did you b) Understand my point I'm trying to get across. Go look at the winning teams of our tournaments - you'll find that a hell of a tonne of them utilise Mega Lopunny and, from the replays, I've seen Encore sets troll in both the Smogon and PP Metagames. You can say that Encore specific and shouldn't be used all day, but from actually using it, you will find it a lot more useful than you think it is.

 

[DannySteeden]

Well this was fun to read

I'm just gonna say my favourites to use from a few of my teams that I've also found to be quite good:

1. Hawlucha (sub sitrus unburden set) I just think can be amazing when you pull it off and get some cool sweeps and its shiny looks amazing
2. Mew (life orb with stealth rock, superpower, fire blast and zen headbutt) I used this as a lead for ages and got so many surprise kills on ferrothorns, bisharps, gengars, tyranitars and even mega scizors
3. Dragonite (weakness policy multiscale) once you get that weakness policy boost this thing becomes insane and its shiny is my favourite lol
4. Mega Lopunny (yeh soz couldn't resist joining in the argument haha) I feel like this can go on pretty much any team and if I ever need a mega it's my go to choice. @Matt_192 is so right with everything he's said, as a revenge killer and late game sweeper it's just head and shoulders above the pretty much everything and I've used it on so many teams with so much success (and never been able to find a mega I like more) and Hawlucha is the only thing I like that's similar but it requires a lot of set up and I only use it if I'm bored of mega Lopunny being so good

 

[Mewtwo]

A few things before I start this post. 1) There's no point in making a return point and then closing the thread's discussion without allowing anyone to return the point; 2) Competitive Discussion isn't bad in any way.

You keep saying that 'these Megas are better' (I'm referring to Slowbro and Sableye here) but it's impossible to compare them. Can you compare Skamory to Sylveon? Not particularly,and there's hundreds of examples of this. Lopunny's great coverage, along with Scrappy to hit Ghost types makes it one of if not the best revenge killer in the tier.

Mega Latias is eh. Sure, CM Stored Power is horrifying, but again, it performs differently to Lopunny. I can think of many issues with it as well: weakness To Knock Off (before you say it only has 65 base power, your mega is supposed to be a switchin for this move and taking an SE hit, no matter the base power isn't good for what Latias does, weakness to Ice, Fairy and Dragon (three of the most common types), little variability, etc.

Mega Sceptile just isn't brilliant in OU, end of point. It has all the same weaknesses as MLatias like I said before but at least Latias can actually tank some of those hits.

Mega Altaria is currently one of the best things in the tier and it was already on my list - there's no reason to bring it back up.

For the umpteenth time, Mega Metagross doesn't do the same thing as Mega Lopunny. Mega Lopunny also has supportive moves which Mega Metagross doesn't.

The issue with your entire argument is you saying 'one mega is the best and should only be used' - this is effectively what you're saying. Every mega made, even Mega Altaria, only works on specific teams and Mega Lopunny works on many. You can go on about Talonflame hitting it and KO'ing it, but again, every Pokemon made has counters. Is Arceus bad because it can't KO Hariyama but Close Combat OHKO's in return? Of course it isn't.

Again, saying 'they are better for a team' is simply unjustified. You, a) didn't bring up a valid reason for any of these Pokemon, nor did you b) Understand my point I'm trying to get across. Go look at the winning teams of our tournaments - you'll find that a hell of a tonne of them utilise Mega Lopunny and, from the replays, I've seen Encore sets troll in both the Smogon and PP Metagames. You can say that Encore specific and shouldn't be used all day, but from actually using it, you will find it a lot more useful than you think it is.

If u read my post I said most of these mega Pokemon don't do the same thing as mega lopunny. Just because of his argument I think I'll try mega lopunny again. Who knows. She might do better than my mega sablye. I will get back to u about if mega lopunny is as good as u guys say it is pretty quickly because I'm just gonna try it on showdown for about 20 games and see if it does better than sabley.

So I was only able to get 2 games in an I won all of them. 1 because of mega lopunny. Mega Lopunny is unstoppable if u baton pass her 2 swords dance.

 

[Matt_192]

4. Mega Lopunny (yeh soz couldn't resist joining in the argument haha) I feel like this can go on pretty much any team and if I ever need a mega it's my go to choice. @Matt_192 is so right with everything he's said, as a revenge killer and late game sweeper it's just head and shoulders above the pretty much everything and I've used it on so many teams with so much success (and never been able to find a mega I like more) and Hawlucha is the only thing I like that's similar but it requires a lot of set up and I only use it if I'm bored of mega Lopunny being so good

I like this guy already lol

If u read my post I said most of these mega Pokemon don't do the same thing as mega lopunny. Just because of his argument I think I'll try mega lopunny again. Who knows. She might do better than my mega sablye. I will get back to u about if mega lopunny is as good as u guys say it is pretty quickly because I'm just gonna try it on showdown for about 20 games and see if it does better than sabley.

Keep in mind that Lopunny has to work around the team as well. May as well give replays as well.

 

[Mewtwo]

I like this guy already lol


Keep in mind that Lopunny has to work around the team as well. May as well give replays as well.

I know. The problem is I already have a breloom on my team but I'll think it will work because of my focus sash on my breloom.