suicune vs vaporean as sp def wall?

[ericashes]

Which one of these makes a better sp def wall? I already got a great vaporean but I'm thinking about a suicune or entei. Thoughts and builds?

 

[notsoclutch]

Suicune only really acts as a calm mind sweeper. It's highly outclassed by vaporeon as a special wall.

 

[ericashes]

Gotcha

 

[ericashes]

How's a assault vest entei fair?

 

[notsoclutch]

How's a assault vest entei fair?

Fairly well actually if you can get your hands on an extreme speed entei.

 

[ericashes]

Fairly well actually if you can get your hands on an extreme speed entei.

You can't catch one still?

 

[notsoclutch]

You can't catch one still?

I want to say it was an event, but I could be way off.

 

[ericashes]

I want to say it was an event, but I could be way off.

and powersaves event wondercard wont help because then I cant use it online, right?

 

[ericashes]

Tbh im just looking for fun catchable legendaries to use in my lineup. (oras catchable).

 

[notsoclutch]

Tbh im just looking for fun catchable legendaries to use in my lineup. (oras catchable).

Suicune is actually really good, but you really need to run it as a crocune with calm mind and rest talk

 

[Kiddy Frog]

Tbh im just looking for fun catchable legendaries to use in my lineup. (oras catchable).

I didn't think the legendary dogs were catchable in ORAS. Well you learn something new everyday!

 

[BasedGoten]

definitely suicune. not a competition

 

[The Fifth Whisper]

I would say Vaporeon probably works better as a special wall, due to its better supporting moveset (Wish passing, threat of Heal Bell to clear status, etc). Suicune's moveset is better supported to supporting in Doubles with Tailwind, Ice Beam, and water-type STAB, but its best use in singles is the wonderful, glorious CroCune set (Scald/CM/Rest/SleepTalk).

Depending on your team's needs, I would recommend Vaporeon over Suicune, but you could try both using sims like Showdown before you make your decision.

 

[Matt_192]

If you want to run Suicune, like the others said, it's better off running Calm Mind with Phys Def, known as 'CroCune.' Gonna try and write Showdown I/O so sorry if it's wrong

Suicune @ Leftovers
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Scald