Active SSB4 Competitive Discussion

[Martin]

SSB4 has been out for a few months now (approaching four months), and we are probably around half way to the release of the first official Smash Back Room tier list for the game. With the developments in the metagame which have happened over the past few months, I am personally incredibly excited for it.

In this thread, discussion of the metagame will take place. You are allowed to post predictions for what you expect the first official Smash Back Room tier list will look like, as long as you don't suggest something based on its placement on the event hubs tier list as it is extremely inaccurate due to anyone being allowed to vote, making it more of a "what's your favourite character" kind of list which tends to favor faster characters and you aren't allowed to put Sonic in the top ten.

Discuss character strategies, techniques and feel free to post your mains/character preference list. When posting tier lists, please don't let the character you play bias your list, as in a lot of cases (namely Sonic) they are often perceived to be better than they actually are as players of the character are biased in their opinion of it due to the fact that they play the character.

Rules:

• No flaming
• No spamming
• No one-liners
• Please add some depth to tier list and main posts (i.e. justify controversial placements (characters like Pac Man, Palutena, Marth, Samus, Fox, King Dedede etc.), explain why you like the character etc.)
• When posting tier lists, split them into ranks (S, A+, B- etc.) and order them (1 > 2 > 3 > 4...) so that there is some kind of scale to your lists. The ranks don't need to be equal in size as they are more of a way of saying how good a character is, but you do need to explain why you made certain placements.
• State whether the tier list applies for a tournament where Miis are legal or if it applies for a tournament where Miis are illegal.
• References and mentions of eventhubs.com are not allowed.

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Lets get the ball rolling shall we?

Firstly, I am going to post two tier lists: one for Mii tournaments and one for non-Mii tournaments:

Spoiler: Miis are legal

SS Rank:
1. Shiek

S Rank
2. Rosalina
3. Diddy Kong

A+ Rank:
4. Zero Suit Samus
5. Yoshi
6. Bowser
7. Lucario

A Rank:
8. Pikachu
9. Ness
10. Mega Man

A- Rank:
11. Peach
12. Duck Hunt
13. King Dedede
14. Jigglypuff
15. Captain Falcon

B+ Rank:
16. Greninja
17. R.O.B.
18. Mario
19. Ganondorf

B Rank:
20. Pit
21. Dark Pit
22. Link
23. Villager
24. Sonic
25. Marth
26. Bowser Jr.
27. Wario
28. Mr. Game & Watch
29. Fox

B- Rank:
30. Little Mac
31. Pac Man
32. Samus
33. Meta Knight
34. Mii Gunner
35. Zelda

C+ Rank:
36. Toon Link
37. Robin
38. Wii Fit Trainer
39. Olimar
40. Ike
41. Kirby

C Rank:
42. Palutena
43. Falco
44. Luigi

C- Rank:
45. Lucina
46. Mii Brawler

D+ Rank:
47. Charizard
49. Shulk
48. Donkey Kong
50. Dr. Mario
51. Mii Swordsman

Spoiler: Miis are illegal

S Rank:
1. Shiek
2. Rosalina
3. Diddy Kong

A+ Rank:
4. Zero Suit Samus
5. Yoshi
6. Bowser
7. Lucario

A Rank:
8. Pikachu
9. Ness
10. Mega Man

A- Rank:
11. Peach
12. Duck Hunt
13. King Dedede
14. Jigglypuff
15. Captain Falcon

B+ Rank:
16. Greninja
17. R.O.B.
18. Mario
19. Ganondorf

B Rank:
20. Dark Pit*
21. Pit*
22. Link
23. Villager
24. Sonic
25. Marth
26. Bowser Jr.
27. Wario
28. Mr. Game & Watch
29. Fox

B- Rank:
30. Little Mac
31. Pac Man
32. Samus
33. Meta Knight
34. Zelda

C+ Rank:
35. Toon Link
36. Robin
37. Wii Fit Trainer
38. Olimar
39. Ike
40. Kirby

C Rank:
41. Palutena
42. Falco
43. Luigi

C- Rank:
44. Lucina

D+ Rank:
45. Charizard
46. Shulk
47. Donkey Kong*
48. Dr. Mario*

*Interchangable

Justification:

(A Rank) 10. Mega Man: Mega Man was generally considered to be one of the worst characters in the game at the launch of the 3DS version. However, the metagame has developed and people have realised how good Mega Man is, with his great projectile pressure, questionably overpowered U-Air and high-priority F-Air and B-Air - the latter of which has very good KO potential. Mega Man's jab game is amazing, he has great shield pressure and a reasonably easy time scoring KOs due to the high power of his smashes, U-Tilt, U-Air's pushing effect, B-Air's high knockback/lightning potential and D-Air's spike. Many high-level players, such as Mew2King, have even stated that it has a high chance of making the top ten.

(B+ Rank) 16. Greninja: Greninja is significantly worse than it was before the balancing update. They significantly nerfed his U-Smash, which resulted in Greninja's KO potential being significantly nerfed, and it didn't receive the buff to Substitute that it desperately needed. Hence why it is only at B+.

(B Rank) 24. Sonic: Sonic is solidly the most over-hyped character in this game. This is mainly due to his high speed and ability to combo out of side special. However, Sonic is just too susceptible to most defensive techniques, as well as being one of the most predictable characters in the game.