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  1. NyanNyanja

    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    Before I start playing in doubles championship I want some pro tips on which Pokemon to use
    I have some Pokemon I want to use and I wanna know if it's good:

    Arcanine (M) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Flash Fire
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Extreme Speed
    - Flare Blitz
    - Iron Tail

    Magnezone @ Leftovers
    Ability: Analytic
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
    - Thunder
    - Discharge
    - Thunder Wave
    - Volt Switch

    Gengar (M) @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Cursed Body
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Psychic
    - Dark Pulse
    - Shadow Ball
    - Sludge Bomb

    Sylveon @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Pixilate
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Dazzling Gleam
    - Calm Mind
    - Moonblast
    - Shadow Ball

    Mandibuzz @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Big Pecks
    Shiny: Yes
    Happiness: 0
    EVs: 4 Def / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Frustration
    - Brave Bird
    - Foul Play
    - U-turn

    Toxapex @ Black Sludge
    Ability: Regenerator
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpD
    Modest Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Blizzard
    - Baneful Bunker
    - Toxic Spikes
    - Sludge Wave

    Anything I need or any suggestions
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    Bump? someone plz
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    Ok. First thing first. VGC is WAY different than OU. And one of the big differences is something I see here:
    NONE of your pokemon have Protect. And the general rule of thumb is that if your mon can use Protect, it should. That move is invaluable in doubles. Obviously, Choice items or Assault Vest are gonna mean you can't use Protect, so those are notable exceptions. Certain other pokemon like Mudsdale or Ninetails can opt not to run it too. But those are moveset specific.
    So let's move on to Pokemon choice.

    Toxapex is not very viable in doubles. It just doesn't put on the offensive pressure necessary to succeed in the format. It'll live damn near anything, sure. But that doesn't matter. Games don't last long enough for Toxic to do anything worth the turn you spend using it. If you're looking for a tanky pokemon in this slot, I'd recommend Mudsdale, Oranguru, Celesteela, or Tapu Lele

    It pains me to say it, because Sylveon is possibly my all-time favorite pokemon, but it just isn't as good now as it was last year. Losing Pix'd Hyper Voice was huge. And a lot of Dragon types have been pushed out of the meta. Mence is now an expendable support mon, Goodra is super niche and you'll almost never see one. Garchomp is the only huge dragon to worry about, and HP Ice Tapu Koko can OHKO that dude 85% of the time. With the Tapus running around, there are just better Fairy choices.

    Not sure how I feel about Specs on Gengar, or Lefties on Magnezone. Not saying they can't work, because I haven't done the calcs. But you do need to stay critically minded about them.

    Arcanine typically runs Burn Up instead of Flare Blitz. It has no recoil, and removes his Fire typing, which can be very useful.

    Mandibuzz is only really good as a Taunt Support. I don't recommend using your Assault Vest on it.

    I don't see a ton of useful interaction going on here. Not much synergy. This looks more like a hodgepodge of OU and VGC Goodstuffs, without a lot of the stuff that makes it good. What you really need to do first and foremost is consider your core, think about how it interacts with itself, and how any additions you can make reinforce that, or provide another cohesive backup strat.

    Hope this helps!
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    I was more as well, asking for people to help me edit my Pokemon not give me smart advice because if u knew me I'm very stupid, but thx a lot for writing this, toxipex does have a form of protect, it's special baneful bunker, but the problem is I've never really double battled before, I usually ran a mega gardivour with hyper voice and an ice wind gengar but both those were removed, I just really want someone to slap in a Pokemon showdown format doubles team which I can then work off of and see what I need to do, work on and see what my team should look like
    Sry if this is abit rude it wasn't intended
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    One of my main problems is I can't use togekiss because he is unable to compete
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    I'm thinking would this be good combined with a garchomp partner
    Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Electric Surge
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Facade
    - Discharge
    - Volt Switch
    - Dazzling Gleam
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    If it's even usable in the doubles championship
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    With 31 all ivs except attack since foul play would be death
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    Bump, am I headed in the right direction?
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    Maybe I could run it with a toxipex partner to counter ground types ?
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    Or Maybe a Gyarados?
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    So you just want someone to make you a VGC team? That's it? Fine. Just use this.

    Oranguru @ Aguav Berry
    Ability: Inner Focus
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
    Sassy Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
    - Trick Room
    - Psychic
    - Instruct
    - Protect

    Torkoal @ Charcoal
    Ability: Drought
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Quiet Nature
    IVs: 0 Spe
    - Eruption
    - Flamethrower
    - Rock Slide
    - Protect

    Lilligant (F) @ Big Root
    Ability: Chlorophyll
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Sleep Powder
    - After You
    - Giga Drain
    - Protect

    Celesteela @ Leftovers
    Ability: Beast Boost
    Level: 50
    EVs: 244 HP / 12 Atk / 252 Def
    Relaxed Nature
    - Wide Guard
    - Heavy Slam
    - Leech Seed
    - Substitute

    Garchomp @ Life Orb
    Ability: Rough Skin
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Dragon Claw
    - Earthquake
    - Fire Fang
    - Poison Jab

    Milotic @ Adrenaline Orb
    Ability: Competitive
    Level: 50
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
    Relaxed Nature
    IVs: 0 Atk
    - Ice Beam
    - Scald
    - Recover
    - Protect
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    About how far do u think this will get me also I have no idea how to play this team any tips?
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    I'd like to run
    Tapu Koko @ Choice Specs
    Ability: Electric Surge
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Modest Nature
    - Facade
    - Discharge
    - Volt Switch
    - Dazzling Gleam
    In there for a clean up sweeper, is that possible too
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    Element Of Smash Unslaad Krongrah Donor Team Quasar

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    Why would you run a Choice Specs Koko? With Facade? Facade has literally one user. Burn Orb Hariyama. And that's not very good.
    I mean, feel free to do whatever you want. I just made the team, you're the one playing it. And I didn't even make that core. Most of that is Aaron Zheng's. If you're halfway competent enough to follow a few simple instructions, that team will net you wins against players who don't know how to counter it.
    It's really simple.
    Oranguru to set up TR and Instruct Torkoals Eruption. Liligant for Chlorophyll and After You Torkoals Eruption when you can't set up TR.
    Celesteela to stall and take care of Tapus
    Garchomp with Fire Fang coverage for Ice types and Bulu. Can EQ spam with Celesteela on the field. Poison Jab for Lele and Koko.
    Milotic for Intimidate users, Alolan Mwak.
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    That facade totally useless and the spech let him less the discharge power, better put on a Life Orb , and in combo u could put an alolan raichu to get speed control or a garchomp, if u take a garchomp u could think about a baloon fornthe koko so u can do a complete clear of the enemies with discharge/dazzling gleam+Earthquake
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    It's not facade I'd use, sry that was accident but, I mean like, choicespecs + epic speed and spa with discharge or dazzling gleam for STAB thats:

    80 base damage
    161 spa
    Stab
    1.5x dmg
    Potential super effective
    Low chance but potential crit
    And hits both targets
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    NyanNyanja Youngster Joey

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    At lvl 50^ that's y low stats
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    Raichu+Koko isn't reliable. All it takes is a Bulu or Lele switch-in to kill the speed control.
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    Dude, you need to learn to do calcs.
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