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I think the double item clause (example: being able to use 2 choice scarfs) actually word be nice to keep as long as you remove the whole "can use ban mega stone" thing. A double item does help a crap tone against counter teamers.
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The PP League Needs Some Adjustments!
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I agree with all of you really. The counter teams are getting old and while it was fun for a while to crush ct's with broken clauses in the end its a negative thing. Its just not fair for the challengers. Not to mention its much more fun to have a good record without broken pokes. I did just fine without the new rules and the gyms are now imbalanced. Because of this, if we were ever to implement an elite 4 I assume we would want the best mono type battlers. This would be impossible to determine by record because of this imbalance.
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In addition to this, these new rules that have caused unbalanced gym teams where to help fight against counter teams.
It would be much better to remove the main issue being counter teams then making all these new rules to fight against them (ultimately just encouraging counter teaming) imo.
It would be much better to remove the main issue being counter teams then making all these new rules to fight against them (ultimately just encouraging counter teaming) imo.
1. so glad this was brought up
2. I feel cheza's idea to have an individual counter lists is more along the lines of what we actually need and not some stupid thing here and there to help only afew gyms
3. I see everyone basing counters soley on atk potential lol lets not forget certain mons also block certain types ex: lando/swampert/gliscor/blissey are all heavy walls for electric or bringing heatran to the fire gym, etc etc
^ although this would likely be brought up more in the group chat
2. I feel cheza's idea to have an individual counter lists is more along the lines of what we actually need and not some stupid thing here and there to help only afew gyms
3. I see everyone basing counters soley on atk potential lol lets not forget certain mons also block certain types ex: lando/swampert/gliscor/blissey are all heavy walls for electric or bringing heatran to the fire gym, etc etc
^ although this would likely be brought up more in the group chat
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I'm guessing we'll need to go ahead and make a convo with all the gym leaders to start discussion?These Pokemon would be Pokemon you feel counter your typing and would be brought up as potential counters.
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I've started making a general list for my gym now.
We could always start the conversation and if doulie agrees with this idea most of the lists would already be made and it could be implemented faster.
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Sure, I'll start it up nowI've started making a general list for my gym now.
We could always start the conversation and if doulie agrees with this idea most of the lists would already be made and it could be implemented faster.
Okay, I see a lot of ideas flying around, but I'd like to pitch in my two cents as the leader of an odd type.
On the surface, flying is pretty OP looking due to an array of ubers and offensive presence, yes? Well actually, I struggle with more Pokemon than the average gym.
While I do like the suggestion of a counter list, being allowed to bring two to mine would be absolutely devastating. I'm giving them a list of things I can't handle!
One of my biggest problems is Cloyster. It's got STAB priority and skill link for icicle spear and rock blast. Pair that with shell smash and a focus sash and please tell me how I can beat it. Now say I manage to kill the stupid thing. They now have yet another Pokemon I struggle with. Let's say it's Greninja or Tyranitar. I'm done. There's no way to take them down after my team has been crippled.
My point is that while that could work for some gyms (say the electric due to limiting the number of grounds), it's never going to work for others.
There's flaws with limiting the number of Pokemon with an advantage. Like, look at the team I battled Miles with last night. I had a M-Gallade, Ferro, and Gengar (Clef, Rotom, and Lando are my others). Against the normal gym, that would be deemed counter for one supereffective type, one resist, and one immunity...but it's my normal team. Some types have way too many weaknesses/resists to do a specific number for.
I'd also like to point out that as the flying leader, I have literally one Pokemon that isn't a dual type, so my mons are very prone to countering easily especially when stealth rock is taken into consideration, so I really do want to fix the problems. It's just that some solutions only work for some of the types.
I rather like the idea of the leader being able to choose whether or not the person deserves the badge. We could set up a council of sorts to judge battle videos if a challenger is rejected the badge but feels s/he deserves it.
Sorry for the long post, guys!
On the surface, flying is pretty OP looking due to an array of ubers and offensive presence, yes? Well actually, I struggle with more Pokemon than the average gym.
While I do like the suggestion of a counter list, being allowed to bring two to mine would be absolutely devastating. I'm giving them a list of things I can't handle!
One of my biggest problems is Cloyster. It's got STAB priority and skill link for icicle spear and rock blast. Pair that with shell smash and a focus sash and please tell me how I can beat it. Now say I manage to kill the stupid thing. They now have yet another Pokemon I struggle with. Let's say it's Greninja or Tyranitar. I'm done. There's no way to take them down after my team has been crippled.
My point is that while that could work for some gyms (say the electric due to limiting the number of grounds), it's never going to work for others.
There's flaws with limiting the number of Pokemon with an advantage. Like, look at the team I battled Miles with last night. I had a M-Gallade, Ferro, and Gengar (Clef, Rotom, and Lando are my others). Against the normal gym, that would be deemed counter for one supereffective type, one resist, and one immunity...but it's my normal team. Some types have way too many weaknesses/resists to do a specific number for.
I'd also like to point out that as the flying leader, I have literally one Pokemon that isn't a dual type, so my mons are very prone to countering easily especially when stealth rock is taken into consideration, so I really do want to fix the problems. It's just that some solutions only work for some of the types.
I rather like the idea of the leader being able to choose whether or not the person deserves the badge. We could set up a council of sorts to judge battle videos if a challenger is rejected the badge but feels s/he deserves it.
Sorry for the long post, guys!
First off, good idea for a thread!
I have to say, Phenix made a great point. I don't think it's a good idea to broadcast the pokemon that we have trouble with, and then allow our challengers to pick and use two of them. Talon flame and M pinsir could still be used in the fighting/grass and bug gyms, which is extremely hard to stop using a mono of those types. Honestly, I don't see why challengers need any counters at all. ( meaning stab super effective ). If we get rid of the banned item, and the breaking one clause rule, ( and as cheza said, for now keep the uber and see how it goes) then it shouldn't be too hard to fight gyms with a fair team. All it takes is one scarfed pokemon to spam super effective stab attackes and that can be devastating to most teams. Thoughts?
I have to say, Phenix made a great point. I don't think it's a good idea to broadcast the pokemon that we have trouble with, and then allow our challengers to pick and use two of them. Talon flame and M pinsir could still be used in the fighting/grass and bug gyms, which is extremely hard to stop using a mono of those types. Honestly, I don't see why challengers need any counters at all. ( meaning stab super effective ). If we get rid of the banned item, and the breaking one clause rule, ( and as cheza said, for now keep the uber and see how it goes) then it shouldn't be too hard to fight gyms with a fair team. All it takes is one scarfed pokemon to spam super effective stab attackes and that can be devastating to most teams. Thoughts?
On A normal OU team would anyone EVER use three types like that? That sounds like awful coverage and a bad team to begin with...
Eh, a Volcarona, M-Gallade, and Excadrill on a team sounds reasonable, but that'd easily deal with ice.
Same could happen with a Tyranitar, Zapdos, and Mamoswine on a team. That'd be a problem for flying.
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I just don't get this why ant wvery gym leader a and vey challenger just get one uber with no matter what item and no purposely counter teams it is the leaders responsibility to decide if it was purposely stack or not for that gym I think my idea has fixed this kinda I mean guys come on if the leaders can fight all u guys and gals they should be honest
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Wow
The gym leaders are given an uber Pokemon so that can actually put up with people's counter teaming. The reason counter-teaming is an issue is because you can be awful at playing the game but still get all 18 badges by being cheap.
'my idea'
Your idea?
Don't double post, and no, please keep it to the trading threads
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Yeah sorry for the a soible pot s soon as I saw that I hit done I accident thought of something to ask and ok I just don't understand thought ole it need s to be fair with leaders against trainers
Well, we get ubers because a person will be challenging our team knowing what type we have. This means that it's easy for them to prepare for said type. We do have a mono after all, and that's very hard
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