Active PerfectPoke Tiers! (NU-OU)

[Jiggly]

Is it possible to be part of more than one team? If so, maybe this could be a private team, so there are forums to talk about the tiers, plus a banner to show that you are a counsel member? That'd be pretty friggin sweet

 

[Martin]

I think a good way to go about it is instead of allowing everyone on PP to have a vote we have a sort of suspect testing system similar to that of Smogon. However, that would mean that a PP server would need to be set up on Showdown so that PP rules matches can be set up, and due to the smaller pool of players than that of Smogon, we would need to put the required COIL rating lower than that of a Smogon test as it will be far harder to find matches on the PP server. The main issue with a tiering system when we have no way of knowing usage outside of the usage from a sim, meaning that it is going to fall dangerously into the depths of being overly opinion-based, which could lead to silly re-tierings like the ban of Aegislash on Smogon (which is the biggest controversy so far this gen), which means that we will have to put large amounts of discussion before we think of doing suspect tests and moving things up and down through OU, UU, RU, and NU.

Also I am going to back up @Unproxied and @Matt_192's points that this thread is NOT for arguing or flaming in.

 

[Unproxied]

Is it possible to be part of more than one team? If so, maybe this could be a private team, so there are forums to talk about the tiers, plus a banner to show that you are a counsel member? That'd be pretty friggin sweet

We'll have to look into that as we move further along with the project.

Dom created it, so he has the specifics. As of right now, it isn't even approved by doulie.

Maybe once we get started and become established, we can look into banners that signify council members and other aspects.

 

[Matt_192]

I think a good way to go about it is instead of allowing everyone on PP to have a vote we have a sort of suspect testing system similar to that of Smogon. However, that would mean that a PP server would need to be set up on Showdown so that PP rules matches can be set up, and due to the smaller pool of players than that of Smogon, we would need to put the required COIL rating lower than that of a Smogon test as it will be far harder to find matches on the PP server. The main issue with a tiering system when we have no way of knowing usage outside of the usage from a sim, meaning that it is going to fall dangerously into the depths of being overly opinion-based, which could lead to silly re-tierings like the ban of Aegislash on Smogon (which is the biggest controversy so far this gen), which means that we will have to put large amounts of discussion before we think of doing suspect tests and moving things up and down through OU, UU, RU, and NU.

Also I am going to back up @Unproxied and @Matt_192's points that this thread is NOT for arguing or flaming in.

Another way of making this work is to make a voting thread, where the voters have to battle a few of the council to have their say. This way we don't need our on server.

 

[Giovanni]

Another way of making this work is to make a voting thread, where the voters have to battle a few of the council to have their say. This way we don't need our on server.

If that is the case then a council member has to be specialized in a tier.

 

[Dom]

Is it possible to be part of more than one team? If so, maybe this could be a private team, so there are forums to talk about the tiers, plus a banner to show that you are a counsel member? That'd be pretty friggin sweet

It isn't possible as far as I'm aware, That's also a lot of work as well when I think a PM will suffice.
I think a small council to solidify poll results and major decisions is needed that's like asking why we have congress when every citizen in America of age can vote

I think a good way to go about it is instead of allowing everyone on PP to have a vote we have a sort of suspect testing system similar to that of Smogon. However, that would mean that a PP server would need to be set up on Showdown so that PP rules matches can be set up, and due to the smaller pool of players than that of Smogon, we would need to put the required COIL rating lower than that of a Smogon test as it will be far harder to find matches on the PP server. The main issue with a tiering system when we have no way of knowing usage outside of the usage from a sim, meaning that it is going to fall dangerously into the depths of being overly opinion-based, which could lead to silly re-tierings like the ban of Aegislash on Smogon (which is the biggest controversy so far this gen), which means that we will have to put large amounts of discussion before we think of doing suspect tests and moving things up and down through OU, UU, RU, and NU.

Also I am going to back up @Unproxied and @Matt_192's points that this thread is NOT for arguing or flaming in.

I looked into setting up a PP server and put in an application but they denied the request since it falls under private use which is a shame

 

[Giovanni]

It isn't possible as far as I'm aware, That's also a lot of work as well when I think a PM will suffice.
I think a small council to solidify poll results and major decisions is needed that's like asking why we have congress when every citizen in America of age can vote



I looked into setting up a PP server and put in an application but they denied the request since it falls under private use which is a shame

That is a real shame.

 

[Gold 2.0]

I would like to potentially join this council. As you all may know, my competitive journey began with the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, and I've watch Smogon tiers change from generation to generation, which has helped me learn the reasoning behind many of the bans that they place on these Pokemon.
I've also had a lot of experience in every tier in the meta. I've won at least 3 showdown tournaments in each tier, which has earned me some respect among the community there. I have some ideas that I could discuss with you all but yeah that's pretty much just my resume xD

 

[Dom]

I would like to potentially join this council. As you all may know, my competitive journey began with the release of HeartGold and SoulSilver, and I've watch Smogon tiers change from generation to generation, which has helped me learn the reasoning behind many of the bans that they place on these Pokemon.
I've also had a lot of experience in every tier in the meta. I've won at least 3 showdown tournaments in each tier, which has earned me some respect among the community there. I have some ideas that I could discuss with you all but yeah that's pretty much just my resume xD

"As all of you know" Yeah because we all knew that xD

I'll add you now, good experience

 

[Gold 2.0]

"As all of you know" Yeah because we all knew that xD

I'll add you now, good experience

"As you all MAY know"

 

[Blaguard]

I'd like to join the council too, as I'm very interested in tiering.
Most of you just know me by battling me, but I first began EV training in SoulSilver, and I really got into competitive battling in gen 5. I'm an active gym leader and made the finals in both of the last two tournaments. Most of my experience is in OU and Ubers (I made the smogon Ubers ladder back in 5th gen), with some experience in NU, and a bit in UU and RU.
While I can't claim Gold's (*cough* alleged *cough*) success in smogon tourneys, I feel I have enough practical experience and would like to be a part of the process for creating functional tiers.

Also, a question: we have our ubers tier, but do we have any mechanism in place that allows us to suspect things? As far as I can see all threads regarding this are closed. While I'm wary of developing smogon's butthurt ban syndrome, I believe there should still be a way to put things under the microscope, perhaps by 2/3 or 3/4 vote. This will be especially important with the new megas coming out, as there's a solid chance some of them will be extremely broken (looking at you, Metagross.)

 

[Niqyue]

I'd actually really love to get involved with this, I'm quite familiar with OU, UU, and i'm getting Acquainted with RU. I feel like have some good ideas, as well as i have experience. I consider myself a pretty good battlers, I've been successful in Many PS tournaments, and i was a Gym Leader Both Here (Bug) And a Gym Leader on a Pokemon Showdown Server(Steel). i'd love o be able to put my input and ideas into our Tiers. Thank you :d

 

[Dom]

I'd like to join the council too, as I'm very interested in tiering.
Most of you just know me by battling me, but I first began EV training in SoulSilver, and I really got into competitive battling in gen 5. I'm an active gym leader and made the finals in both of the last two tournaments. Most of my experience is in OU and Ubers (I made the smogon Ubers ladder back in 5th gen), with some experience in NU, and a bit in UU and RU.
While I can't claim Gold's (*cough* alleged *cough*) success in smogon tourneys, I feel I have enough practical experience and would like to be a part of the process for creating functional tiers.

Also, a question: we have our ubers tier, but do we have any mechanism in place that allows us to suspect things? As far as I can see all threads regarding this are closed. While I'm wary of developing smogon's butthurt ban syndrome, I believe there should still be a way to put things under the microscope, perhaps by 2/3 or 3/4 vote. This will be especially important with the new megas coming out, as there's a solid chance some of them will be extremely broken (looking at you, Metagross.)

I'd actually really love to get involved with this, I'm quite familiar with OU, UU, and i'm getting Acquainted with RU. I feel like have some good ideas, as well as i have experience. I consider myself a pretty good battlers, I've been successful in Many PS tournaments, and i was a Gym Leader Both Here (Bug) And a Gym Leader on a Pokemon Showdown Server(Steel). i'd love o be able to put my input and ideas into our Tiers. Thank you :d

You guys are kind of late. We're working on something for suspect testing as far as I'm concerned, I'll see if I can add you to the PM to provide input as well I suppose

 

[Gold 2.0]

I'd like to join the council too, as I'm very interested in tiering.
Most of you just know me by battling me, but I first began EV training in SoulSilver, and I really got into competitive battling in gen 5. I'm an active gym leader and made the finals in both of the last two tournaments. Most of my experience is in OU and Ubers (I made the smogon Ubers ladder back in 5th gen), with some experience in NU, and a bit in UU and RU.
While I can't claim Gold's (*cough* alleged *cough*) success in smogon tourneys, I feel I have enough practical experience and would like to be a part of the process for creating functional tiers.

Also, a question: we have our ubers tier, but do we have any mechanism in place that allows us to suspect things? As far as I can see all threads regarding this are closed. While I'm wary of developing smogon's butthurt ban syndrome, I believe there should still be a way to put things under the microscope, perhaps by 2/3 or 3/4 vote. This will be especially important with the new megas coming out, as there's a solid chance some of them will be extremely broken (looking at you, Metagross.)

Wow that diss tho. I see you. xD

 

[Matt_192]

You guys are kind of late. We're working on something for suspect testing as far as I'm concerned, I'll see if I can add you to the PM to provide input as well I suppose

Seeing as ORAS is coming up, we may have to relook at some of the choices we've made and I think @Niqyue and @Blaguard could help out a lot. If there's no opposition I don't see why they can't be on the council fully.

 

[Dom]

Seeing as ORAS is coming up, we may have to relook at some of the choices we've made and I think @Niqyue and @Blaguard could help out a lot. If there's no opposition I don't see why they can't be on the council fully.

They can both help definitely I just didn't want to add anyone until we polished xy tiers so that the transition would be easier, once we touch a few things up then I talk to doulie we can add them and more members, we will reopen applications

 

[Matt_192]

They can both help definitely I just didn't want to add anyone until we polished xy tiers so that the transition would be easier, once we touch a few things up then I talk to doulie we can add them and more members, we will reopen applications

Ah fair enough then. What are we doing about Mawile too? The suspect is getting nowhere

 

[Dom]

Ah fair enough then. What are we doing about Mawile too? The suspect is getting nowhere

We can talk about it in the conversation

 

[Martin]

Ah fair enough then. What are we doing about Mawile too? The suspect is getting nowhere

i replied to your post with the way im gonna handle it. However, I'm going to change the end date to the 28th as i want to get the vote done as fast as possible. atm it will just be clutch voting alongside us.

 

[Matt_192]

@Dom @Marigi174 are we including Blaguard and Niqyue in the voting? I'm not tagging till we reach a conclusion lol