inb4 Smogon hate: Try to respond to the points they make, not the reputation they have as a community. We are not Smogon, but that doesn't mute their argument.
Smogon had some legitimate reasons why Aegislash should be in Ubers.
I agree with them all.
The OU tier leader brought up the following points as to why it had to go:
- Aegislash is an extremely effective Pokemon and has very high risk:reward output.
- Aegislash has multiple different sets that are all effective.
- It has numerous sets, most of which are handled differently. If you guess the purpose wrong, you're often losing at least 1 Pokemon
- it introduces literal arbitrary decisions, namely in the form of frequent 50/50s with King's Shield. This is so important because the 50/50 decision IS NOT an even trade for user and opponent, which people seem to be arguing it is. Remember, using King's Shield makes Aegislash have 150 defenses again...meaning the user has the 50/50 as well as 150 defenses. The opponent only has the 50/50. Yes, the user might guess wrong and the opponent "can set up," but this is a specific scenario and dependent on the 50/50, not independent of it.
- Guessing between attacking or not attack Aegislash has determined many high level ladder matches, and there is no skill involved here. It is simple arbitrary guessing. There is no "gaining of information" on the opponent to "best predict" a switch or something...it is literally just "here is a guess, make it, hope for the best." So, Aegislash forces the opponent to guess its set, at the risk of losing a significant member, and forces the opponent to guess an arbitrary 50/50 which is not even, at the risk of again losing a significant member.
OU Tier Leader,Aldaron
I believe banning Aegislash would be beneficial to the community. By having to have one less check or counter to a standard OU team we can have greater variety of Mon's between battlers.
"High Risk"
Risk indicates that it may not work and if it doesn't you're in trouble, High Risk High Reward stands for a lot of the meta game, I don't really see the point here
Saying something is high risk high reward isn't really an argument on it being OP it seems like an argument on why it's fine in OU to be honest, I'm confused on that
Arbitrary guessing makes up the entire competitive scene it's just different because we call it predicting...
The game involves a lot of luck in the form of status ailments such as paralyzing and freezing or confusion, etc then we have flinching and critical hits and misses and the list goes on.
The move Protect in itself does what is mentioned here, it forces arbitrary guessing
Guessing does cause matches to swing either way in the form of predictions, whether you like it or not, remove Aegislash and the game is still mostly guessing with a touch of luck.
- Aegislash has multiple different sets that are all effective.
- It has numerous sets, most of which are handled differently. If you guess the purpose wrong, you're often losing at least 1 Pokemon
This seems like a redundancy introduced in order to make his argument seem like it has more points than it does
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I believe banning Aegislash would be beneficial to the community. By having to have one less check or counter to a standard OU team we can have greater variety of Mon's between battlers."
You could say this about many pokemon, banning one pokemon does not allow us to use more mons because a dedicated counter is not needed, with knock off on the rise and 3 of the most common pokemon in OU being Rotom-W, Landorous-T, and Bisharp who are all great against Aegislash it seems like you'll be just fine. He's also weak to Earthquake, Fire Moves, Dark Moves and Ghost Moves and Mega Lopunny was introduced recently in order to hit him with fighting moves for SE damage (just an example)
Your statements make it sound like we didn't acknowledge Smogon's views and believe me we took a lot of things into account and we have a lot of people on the Council who know what they're talking about, we did consider these points and although some are decent I suppose overall he is not a large enough threat to warrant a bump to Ubers.
(Oh and a side note, Protect does what King Shield shield does in the form of arbitrary guessing but it also allows Aegi to get hit by status moves such as burns which will completely cripple his physical set)
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